He might be “The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived” to Taylor Swift fans, but Matty Healy is a “brother” to Charli XCX.

In a recent interview with Apple Music, the “Fancy” singer opened up about her relationship with the frontman for The 1975, who covered her song “I Might Say Something Stupid” for the upcoming Brat remix album Brat and It’s Completely Different but Also Still Brat.

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Calling Healy’s take on her hit “really moving” and “eye-opening,” Charli complimented his musical skills—while acknowledging she occasionally gets frustrated with him.

“I really wanted [Healy] to do the song. He’s like my brother now, you know?” she said. “And I hope he wouldn’t mind me saying this but I have an endless amount of respect for him as a songwriter and him as a person. But I sometimes want to strangle him.”

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Charli also gave her take on Healy’s sometimes controversial performances with The 1975 (since she’s the fiancée of drummer George Daniel, she’s seen quite a few).

“All I’ll say from my perspective in terms of [The 1975’s] show is like, I just really enjoy people who take a risk in terms of what they’re putting out there artistically,” she said. “And I think that show is a little divisive, but I think great art is divisive.”

“Even before being with George—years and years ago—I’ve always been such a fan of their work,” she added. “His thinking of the way everything is digested in terms of their work, their artwork, their font, their videos, their everything…it’s very, very holistic.”

Swift and Healy reportedly dated in 2023, and fans have speculated that several tracks on The Tortured Poets Department are about him.

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